AMD Phenom 9000 is quad core, and 8000 is tri-core
AMD Spider Launch Slideware glideware sideware hardware
IN THIS FOUR-PART series we will reveal details of this week's AMD launch, widely slated to be a lifeline for the struggling firm.
We'll disclose how quiet/noisy they will be, prices, positioning and basically all there is to know about the launch of AMD's Spider Platform, as AMD is calling it.
Thus, AMD is launching its beasts to quench the thirst of people. Spider consists of AMD Phenom - the X4/X3/X2 naming convention is dead and Phenom FX processors, 790X/790FX, which are Crossfire and CrossfireX chipsets, and of course, Radeon HD 3850 and 3870 graphic cards.
Looking at a whole computer, this is the first time that a manufacturer is launching a complete 65nm and sub-65nm component, since all key parts - the Phenom, 770/780/790X/790FX, RV670 - are all made at 65nm or 55nm.
In comparison, launches of from Intel and Nvidia have at least one component manufactured in 90nm or even 130nm. This is quite important in terms of both die size and the thermal characteristics.
AMD is chanting its "Customer Centric Innovation" mantra like there's no tomorrow, but in all sincerity, that mantra does not go hand in hand with the statements we've heard from some AMD executives.
Also, the fact that the company is publicly launching two SKUs, while there are three SKUs two PCIe 2.0, one AGP part. AMD is , skipping the on 3850 with 512MB and 3870 with 1GB of video memory. A price affordable Black Edition instead of Phenom FX would also be what customers want.
AMD Phenom is manufactured in 65nm process at Fab36 in Dresden, andthe main features are something that it calls “Native Quad-Core”, HyperTransport 3.0, and DDR2-1066 memory support. Quite frankly, we care only about the number of cores, not threads, n Windows Task Manager, but that's a marchitectural quibble.
AMD is relying on the fact that it is better to provide a memory controller that creates the possibility that a user gets 8GB of DDR2-1066 for the equal amount he would have to shell out for 2-3 GB of DDR3 memory. Of course, the biggest problem that AMD marketing dept has is showing its advantages to the general public, an area where this company failed miserably in the past.
On AMD's roadmaps, the 65nm Phenom series fits into the middle, with 45nm Phenoms coming in the middle of 2008, and a complete new core coming in 2009. This core will be an answer to Intel's Nehalem, but what AMD is not saying is what Fusion will be used for. If you think that it will be only Bulldozer cores plus some R7xx-based Radeon GPU, you're quite wrong. The Opterons will end up fused as well, the most interesting part will be bringing GPUs with HyperTransport 3.0 and beyond put into the chips themselves.
When it comes to the actual line-up, AMD is launching Phenom 9000 series with three models, 2.2, 2.3 and 2.4 GHz. They all use HT 3.0 with a link speed of 3.6 GHz. It is quite interesting to see the “FSB” clock overtaking the actual physical clock of the CPU cores, but AMD has to pay the price for milking on 90nm process and shifting engineers from 65nm development onto a previous generation.
Phenom FX will be a single product at launch, but that will not happen on November 19th, but rather during December, as a sort of Yuletide present. Somehow, AMD needs to put a 3GHz part into this year, but if no volumes can be made, these guys are set for rough times. During the first quarter of next year - probably around CeBIT 2008, the Phenom 8000 series will appear. Phenom 8000 is nothing more but Tollman, a Tri-Core part, the Agena minus one core . So, if the 9000 series was known as Agena, Phenom FX-8x parts are known as Agena FX.
Phenom X2 has been canned, and the part will be known as the Athlon 6000 series.
Performance
When it comes to performance, AMD will allow hacks to tap into Phenoms for the
very first time , so you will be able to see just how high can 3DMark06 score go
in CrossFireX configurations.
AMD's slideware hides the actual performance numbers, but the lads put AMD Phenom 9500 (2.2 GHz) system as the 100%, baseline performance system. In further slideware, it was revealed that Overall Performance (Office Productivity + Digital Media + Gaming) will take Phenom 9700 5.4% faster than the 9500 (2.2 GHz), while competing Core 2 Quad Q6600 scores 2.5% more than 2.2 GHz. In Office Productivity itself, 9700 is 5.7%, while Q6600 is 3.2% faster. Digital Media puts Intel on top with 10.4% advantage over baseline mode, while clock-per-clock competitor was 8.5% faster than baseline. In gaming, 9700 system scores 2.2% faster results than baseline, while Q6600 is 3.6% slower than baseline.
Confused? We don't blame you. Real scores are ones that will matter, while these aggregated scores can be tweaked to show one or other side winning, depending are we seeing black slides with green chars, or blue slides with white characters. µ

Comments
Where is the 30000 3DMark
Hey Theo,Where is the 30,000 3DMark Phenom that you blabbered about some time back?
Interesting slant on AMD vs Intel
Considering that the only component of a modern Intel package that's more than 65nm is the Southbridge (which uses at most 4W), you're being very misleading in saying that "This is quite important in terms of both die size and the thermal characteristics." No, it's really not important in terms of thermal characteristics. How about comparing the thermal characteristics of an AMD 65nm CPU to an Intel 45nm CPU at similar performance (you'll have to underclock the Intel part quite a bit), then see how the giant gap difference b/w the CPUs makes any motherboard gap pale in comparison. Come on, you can do better than churning out insignificant facts and then drawing incorrect conclusions from them.Interesting ...
@ leadsled - from what I've seen the new overclocking utility allows overclocking not of just the CPU but each individual core on split power plane boards. So your not limited by a sleepy core like on x2s.@core2dude - the 30,000 3D mark was on a cherry picked 3Ghz quad that AMD demoed. I don't remember if it was CFX or it was a duel processor machine. Probably both.
Am I the only one that actually reads the articles and the references? As for the performance verses the cores', these figures seem pretty accurate to me. ( Since AMD had their hands slapped about benchmarks, it's to be expected though.) So we can expect basically the same performance from spider as the core2s' of the same clock speeds, except in multimedia apps, which is great news. ( You would be lucky to tell the diffrence if it were 10% in most cases anyway ) I just finished specing an upgrade for my Opteron workstations. I might just hold out a little longer after all and see what arrives in December.
Lets home AMD come up with the goods come december
I hope AMD surprises use all with the benchmarks of this quad system setup. It would be nice to hear some positive news on from AMD.Core2dude, i think your on about this thread (link below) its the Barcelona core the inq was on about, but yeah come test day these systems won't do over 30k on 3dmarks 06, i think that was a load of old quibble. Get the AMD hype going :)
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/08/28/amds-3ghz-k10-to-break-30000-3dmark06
Overclock?
whether the sample theo got was hand picked or not is unknown, he asked about it and while the said it wasn't Chery picked it wasn't a plain old one, from what I understand its whole batch of ones that did really well.soo of course they took one from THAT batch and gave it to theo.
It was clocked at 2.6ghz if you read the article, and he overclocked it to 3ghz on standard heatsink.
then with two 2900xt in crossfire, Oced to 825, rather small considering some are shiping that far overclocked now.
and together the Phenom @3Ghz and the crossfire "supposedly" scored a little over 30,000 3dmarks. Unfortunately some one broke into his car and stole i think $3000 of his personal equipment. This included his laptop which was storing the bench results of the phenom setup. The only one he had in another spot was the 3dmark score.
So no the phenoms wont get 30,000 with two 2900xts , without being significantly overclocked. However the spider setup with the 3870 in crossfire x just might.
I am interested to see what the benchmarks will be really.
impatiality
i have a google news alert set for amd phenom and i get articles from all the big online tech sites,and i have to say the intel bias in this mag is just shocking.How much is intel paying you for this dribble?..the only reason intel has all the market is because they have bullied and bribed companies all over the world(in europe intel is facing several law suits),their chips have never been better than amd,quite the opposite actually.The enquirer forgets to mention or explain"native" quad`s vs fsb slowness either,or the fact that phenom is much cheaper than most intel chips!!Whatever happened to QuadFather?
I'm pretty interested in seeing why Phenom's 3DMark numbers just rocket off as its Mhz increase beyond 2.4Ghz. There was some cryptic mention of this behaviour in the Anandtech forums.Another question that I'm wondering about now is whatever happened to the QuadFX (aka 4x4, QuadFather) platform that included Nvidia chipsets and AMD processors, which AMD was hoping will compete against Intel quad-cores. It was supposed to be even more spectacular when AMD quad-cores came out -- well AMD quad-cores are now coming out, so why no mention of it anymore? AMD seems to be concentrating on Spider, which seems to be fairly similar, minus the Nvidia chipset.
Yea, Where is that 3D Mark Score?
I emailed you about that Theo and you said when the NDA was lifted then you would be vindicated, can you show us if that is now the case?Is it all that bad?
As an enthusiast, I am trying to see the good in all of this. In all the benchmarks it seems as though the intel Q6600 beats the Phenoms. To me, thats ok. From a cost standpoint, AMD is less expensive. Back when I read a compared of benchmarks between Intel QX6850 and AMD QuadFX...the difference was only 10%-15%. That was with the old 90nm. I am hoping that AMD will not dump the FASN8, and I will be running dual quads within the first half of next year....with SLI or CrossfireX. I don't think that Intel is going to added dual socket funtionality the Nehalem, so I guess my underperforming Phenoms will still out perform any Intel box. That is until Intel can role 8 cores into one chip. I applaude both companies for the products that they are launching, and working on...I think we are in store for a really good year. Even if AMD doesn't beat Intel.