Nvidia mounts sleaze attack on Intel
Gutterwatch Disinformation campaign outed
NVIDIA HAS PUT OUT quite possibly the perfect model for sleazy, disingenuous presentations. It is simply so bad that the firm won't put its name on it.
The presentation, labeled "Intel Graphics.pdf", is the sneakiest below-the-belt presentation from a company known for ethically borderline messaging on the best of days. When it won't sign its name to it, you know it's bad.
When asked about the presentation, Nvidia responded with the following statement. "We distributed this to our sales force as a sales tool for them to share with customers. It is a collection of press clippings from the industry on the increasing inadequacies of Intel graphics in a world that demands more and more visual processing. It was intended as an internal sales tool, not for public consumption."
Sounds good so far, but there are several inescapable problems with that logic. The first is that the entire 44-page PDF has the word Nvidia in it twice, both from the same Businessweek clipping on two separate pages. None of its products is mentioned, not even once, and the backgrounds are flat black, without the usual Nvidia logos or themed backgrounds.
Why is this problematic? If a presentation is "intended as an internal sales tool, not for public consumption", they are clearly marked. They have always have "company X confidential" stamped all over them in a way you can't miss. If the news is embargoed, it is emblazoned all over the place. The aim is for it not to be mistaken for public information, and the disclaimers do just that, clearly.
Nvidia disclaimer
Lately, Nvidia has taken to watermarking every page given to journalists with an identifiable serial number on it. To say the firm is paranoid is unde rstating things. As usual, it doesn't work, but it does give the interns something to do, and makes us giggle every time we realise that they failed.
What I am trying to say is that any official document put out by NV in the last four or so years has several distinctive features. First is a clear background that a five-year old would identify as coming from Nvidia. Second is that confidential slide decks are clearly marked as such. Third, if they are really sensitive, they are usually clearly and individually watermarked.
So the internal use line doesn't stand up, only partly due to the fact that this presentation is not watermarked or identified as Nvidia's own. Our research suggests the firm wanted it out, but didn't want people to know where it came from - it is that indefensible. Even if the document is for distribution to " customers", that is hardly an internal NV group.
How do we know that Nvidia wanted the document out in the public domain? The INQ has seen emails sending this presentation directly from Nvidia personnel with @nvidia.com email addresses to people outside the company. A bit of back-story here, Nvidia does not sell to the public directly, so it has a looser definition of sales person/sales team than many other companies. It may include people at outside companies, and we agree with this broader definition. In any case, the emails sent out were clearly not to people in this category. There is no doubt that this presentation was sent out to slur Intel, not to sell Nvidia, and it was done intentionally.
If this sounds confusing, let us give you an example of the presentation; the first page in fact. Beside it is a representative picture from a presentation given to us back in the old days before NV unilaterally cut us off.
Normal Nvidia presentation front page
Not normal Nvidia presentation front page
Notice the subtle differences? Can you figure out which one Nvidia wants to be associated with? Look closely and clues will emerge. Every Nvidia presentation we have ever seen was clearly identifiable as Nvidia, same with ATI, Intel and AMD. Of the hundreds of documents seen over the years, there was never one in which the company of origin was in doubt. There has also never been one that should have been marked confidential but was not. Ironically, there are lots marked confidential that should not have been, but that is another story.
So far, we know three things: it was sent out by Nvidia to a much broader audience than it stated; Nvidia didn't want it associated with the company, but it is not considered confidential. Some of this Nvidia admits, other bits they do not.
Why is this document so offensive? Part of it is the tone, they do nothing but attack Intel instead of promoting their own stuff. Again, we have never seen a single presentation that did not promote the creator's own products while trashing the competition. This type of attack is unprecedented and quite a revealing black mark on the reputation of any company attempting it.
Lets go through it
Page 1 you saw above, and is simply the words "Intel Graphics", page 2 is the
same with "Intel Graphics for Vista?" Page 3 is the quote from Steve Sinofsky
about the Broken OS, with the quote “945G barely works [on Vista]” on top, and
Microsoft SVP for Windows just below. In the fine print, there is the same
quote, all from the famous 'why we realise Vista sucks' MS email thread.
There is no doubt that 945G is pretty bad on Vista, especially considering that the mails were talking about a pre-release OS and pre-release drivers. The OS still doesn't work right, and the 945G chipset is barely adequate for Aero, but the situation has improved since those mails were written.
Even Intel admits the 945G has massive problems under Aero, take a look here. "A less known fact is that the 945G will also run Vista Aero, but the results can be disappointingly riddled with stuttering object motion and dropped frames. "
That quote is about a year old, and things are a bit better now, but still, they knew how bad it was for a long long time. Thoughtfully, Nvidia does not mention that there have been enough driver releases since then to choke a horse, much less highlight any improvements in the intervening year plus. It is almost like they are purposefully ignoring changes that do not support their thesis.
Pages 4-7 rehash the same email threads, moving between i915 and i945, nothing but attack quotes from MS and press clippings from articles about the quotes. They indisputably prove that a low-end, three+ year old chipset that isn't on sale any more can't run a UI it was never meant to, and a two-and-a-half-year-old chipset has trouble with a year-old OS, even though it was supplanted six+ months before the OS came out.
If NV was trying to prove a point, ithe point escapses us, but please do note that they do not make the same claims for current chipsets, mainly because they can't. When reality doesn't match your premise, take the cowards way out and dredge up the past under very dubious and tangential circumstances. Then pray no one notices.
P8 starts out with some relevant topics, it is a page with the words "Intel Graphics for Games?" on it. Following that page is a picture of the Intel white paper about the GMA3000, aka the GPU core in the G965. You can find the white paper here, and there is nothing other than a few quotes from the paper on the page.
This is followed by a clipping from a Businessweek on August 13, 2007. The article entitled Is Your PC A Graphics Wimp? was written by Stephen H. Wildstrom. It basically says that if you need a graphics card, you need Nvida or ATI, if you want to run games. It goes on to use the water in the Sims 2 as an example.
Page 11 is a picture of this, and the Intel G965, lacking T&L in hardware falls back to an older shader model, and does indeed look like crap. Factually accurate, but sleazy beyond words. Why? A lot of reasons.
Lets first start with why NV picked the BW article. The first reason is that obvious, BW is a large, mainstream and well-respected publication. If you can quote it for a mainstream customers, or to train sales people to talk to those non-technical proles, you could pick far less respected sources.
Secondly, they picked it because it was laughably out of date at the time. That is important, the story was current in November 2006, we wrote it up here after we were briefed on it and shown demos by AMD. During that demo, they showed both ATI and Nvidia integrated chipsets. Why Businessweek picked it up almost a year later is an open question, but it did.
The problem with the story being so laughably out of date is that things may change between the time it was current and the time it was rehashed. Between that time, two critical changes were made, the G965 was supplanted by the slightly less bad G35, and the beta drivers that fixed the problem were released.
Exactly a week after the article's publication, the final driver was released, and it fixed the problems. The beta drivers had been out for nearly two months.
Even if the article was correct at the time of publication - barely - it hasn't been true for nearly three quarters now. Basically, Nvidia took an outdated chipset bashed by an article that was 10 months late, and dredged it up three quarters after it was no longer true. What courage that took.
I may call NV PR sleazy, underhanded, disingenuous, truth bending, unethical opportunists, but I will not call them so stupid that they missed the G35 launch. I will also not call them so stupid that they missed the fact that the beta Intel drivers were about a month before the BW article and months before the presentation in question.
They didn't have a leg to stand on, so they cherry picked something from the past that hoping that no one would notice. Sleazy beyond words. One could say they even had dishonest intent, there is no other explanation other than being so stupid that they drool from the corners of their mouth. If this was the case, they would have drowned them long before they finished typing the presentation in. If anyone has a better explanation, feel free to write me.
Pages 12-16 basically rehash the same claims, adding nothing new or current to the provably out of date and inaccurate presentations. How this got by the merest of critical scrutiny is a mystery, unless it was not meant to.
On page 17 we come to another title page, this one with the words " Can You Play Today’s Most Popular Games on Intel Graphics?" The short answer to that is probably not, nor is any sane person attempting to do so. The sole exception to this is the AMD 780G chipset, and that is just barely adequate. Basically, I agree more or less with NVs assertion. So, why is it so problematic? The next page has the following pie chart.
This looks pretty bad
Wow, that looks rough, right? I mean, a third or so of the games run, another third have problems, and another third flat out don't work. Holy baloney, that is bad. So, what is disingenuous about this? Look at this slide, from a presentation labeled GeForce7000_Press_Presentation_Final.pdf. It is dated " September 2007" on the first slide. Take a close look at it, really close.
What are the odds?
The first thing you will notice is that on the first presentation, the working/problems/non-working ratio was 37%/26%/37%, and that has now changed to 36%/27%/36%. It looks awfully familiar though, and given a handful of driver drops, including a major one in late February, things should have changed quite a bit right?
If you read the fine print on the first slide, it says "Intel G33: Intel 15.8.0.1437 drivers" and the second has "Intel G33: Intel 14.10.1283 drivers", and both list "OS: Microsoft Vista 32-bit" as the malware of choice.
If I didn't know better, I would say that the stats compiled for last November were fairly accurate, and short of a rounding error, were simply presented again in March. If I did not know better, I would assume the same thing as the Sims sleazing, problems were fixed, they knew it, and decided pick a set of games that matched their conclusion rather than the other way around.
Then again, they might have just picked a relatively odd number of current games that happened to break the current drivers to within 1% of the older ones. You be the judge: disingenuous sleaze or honest mistake? You could also wonder why they picked the low end G33 vs the G35 for this graph? Could it be because the G35 would show almost 100% working games?
When asked about it, Nvidia sent the list of games that they currently consider 'Top 30', along with the results on a G33, and the results are pretty grim. That said, do you know anyone who buys Crysis, Bioshock, CoD4 or Supreme Commander to run on a G33?
The list is top selling games, and the #1 title, The Sims 2 is fair game for integrated graphics, as are a few others like Zoo Tycoon 2, but most are clearly inappropriate. The G33 is a derivative of the G945, a chipset with fixed function graphics, it does not support certain functions, and if a game needs that, it simply won't work.
Nvidia, by picking on the G945, is saying that games that were designed not to run on the G33 will not run on the G33. How is this news again? Like their criticism of the i915 and Aero, if something is clearly labeled 'will not work unless XYZ', and you don't have XYZ, should you be surprised that it doesn't work?
If Nvidia sold cars, they would roll out their latest SUV along with a sales sheet that compares it against the off-road capabilities of the top 30 selling sedans. Then they would point out how badly a Honda Accord does in deep mud, and knock a Ford Focus for it's lack of ground clearance. Technically, both criticisms are correct, but no one buys an Accord for mud bogging.
Also, note how the second slide has Nvidia logos, product names and color schemes all over it, like the green wording versus the white on the 'no-name' presentation. Another accident?
If you are not sold that this was all done with ill intent in mind, try this one on, another noxious example of the breed. It uses Second Life to prove a point, that point being that Intel graphics don't run Second Life (SL). To prove it, they use a quote from a SL web page.
Looks bad part II
Now, if you type in the link listed, it is broken, the page doesn't exist, but you can find the listed page with a little digging. If you look at the SL system requirements page, it shows that Intel graphics from the i945 on do run SL. The presentation was made, according to the metadata, on March 19, 2008, and references web pages on Feb 29, March 5 and March 10, 2008. This means it was made no earlier than March 10.
The problem? Intel fixed the second life problems with driver 15.8 in late February. Having had the ground move under my feet during an article, I would be more than willing to give NV the benefit of the doubt here, but the facts show they don't deserve it.
Two slides previous to the one shown, they say they tested a long list of games with the SAME EXACT 15.8 DRIVER. It was current enough for them to test at least 19 games on, but not this one. They did, however, know of it's existence, so you have to wonder about anyone who put it into a presentation as a key point without checking the bare minimum facts.
The SL system requirements page, as of March 28th, had been updated to show that Intel chipsets, again i945 and up, worked. The page that NV was pointing to does indeed say what they claim it does, but the authoritative source from Linden Labs says otherwise.
It would have probably been easier to link the requirements page, but Nvidia might claim that they didn't know about it, which may be true. Unless you look at slide 11 from the aforementioned GeForce7000 deck, it looks like this.
Amazing coincidence part II
Gosh, that page looks like a clone of the Slide 20 from the other deck with everything identifying Nvidia scrubbed out! What a coincidence. Their only, albeit very thin, defence to not knowing the 15.8 drivers fixed SL and that the page was updated, is that they didn't know it existed. Well, I guess you might say they did know it existed, and the slide was indeed changed deliberately.
In fact, the only conclusion you can draw from this is that they were using it to bash Intel when Intel was indeed broken, a fair tactic. When Intel fixed the problem, and SL changed the page to reflect that, NV had to hunt down a dubious page to support a knowingly out-of-date premise.
This is by far the most underhanded, ethically corrupt and desperate PR stunt I have ever seen. It is unconscionable.
A quick check of the Wayback Machine shows that the second NV quote is accurate, and in fact, until the late Feb drivers, SL was broken on Intel chipsets. Nothing wrong there. Linden Labs was contacted prior to the writing of this to verify when the system requirements page was changed, but as of now, there has been no reply.
On top of that, you have the classic green font, NV logos all over the place, and a slide that clearly is from the company on one hand. On the other, you have everything scrubbed out, and the characteristic green font strangely absent. Again, almost like they didn't want people to know who it came from.
The presentation goes on and on repeating the same premise, that gaming on Intel sucks. Well, duh. We have been saying that for a while, see here and here and here and here.
From there, Nvidia makes another good point, that Intel has failed to meet a single graphics promise on the last two generations of chipsets. On that, we totally agree, and this article was actually prompted by the slide deck. Intel has a miserable track record, and if Nvidia had simply said this, it would have been more than sufficient. It is correct, and backed up by history, with the added bonus of being currently accurate.
Slide 35 shows some specs on the upcoming G45/43/41 chipsets, with DX10 support claimed on all of them. The title, in white, is "So G35 Didn't work ... But They're Sure G45 Will!!??" This is a valid point, but the real eye opener is that this is a page from Intel's confidential WW02 roadmap, P15 to be exact. I wonder if NV PR or sales was authorised to have that? This is lawsuit territory, or at the very least, a damn good reason for Intel to cut off NV completely, can you say caught red handed?
They end up the train of thought with slide 36, "Vista Premium Requires DX10 this June," followed by "Can You Trust Intel with DX10?" and a picture of the Broken OS box. The short answer? No. If Intel can come out with a working G45 DX10 on day one, hey, great. Until then, trust but verify.
Slides 37 to 44 set out to base bashing of Larrabee on the trust premise. Larrabee is a completely different team, different architecture, and different driver set as G965 and kin. There is nothing other than the Intel name that connects them.
To bash one based on the other is like saying NV 5800 was a miserable failure with a horribly loud fan, so GT-200 has to be awful. It is base fearmongering, but about par for the course in an NV sales presentation.
In the end, what it comes down to is that Nvidia has based it's messaging to the outside world on barely defensible methods and quite frankly, dishonesty. The firm has a reputation among the press that is far and away the worst of any company out there. They are not hesitant to cut you off from samples or information if any organization does not give them a review they deem good enough.
In the end, they have mastered using fear, toys and threats to keep the press in line, and rarely does anyone call them on their egregious behaviour because they want the next hot card.
The problem is that Nvidia seems to have a problem with the facts. They seem allergic to honesty. This presentation is by no means the first one packed with questionable claims, but it is the first in memory that does not even attempt to toe the line.
It is no wonder they scrubbed all evidence of their name off of it, including the metadata. There are at least two things in here that could get them sued. Libel and violating NDAs is not something to be trifled with. Then again, as slide 38 says...
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Comments
AMD did Hammers,not Intel :)
panic?Intel asked for it
All I hear is you whining, Intel wanted to start a fight and it got one, you own intel stock or something? Intel will blow the deal by being its usual bureacratic/structured self trying to compete with a dynamic(as you see they can change pr tactics) and proven leader in the graphics market. Don't complain cause Nvidia is going to make intel pay for trying to steal their market share and customers. Its business, and if you send the managements stock down to 17 where it is now, then look out cause the battle begins. My money is on Nvidia, intel will have to accept defeat by buying Nvidia out(competition bureau won't let it happen though). You just showed me in your article with all this talk of drivers etc that intel released a pile of junk full of bugs, you didn't say one positive thing in my mind for them. They are a dollar short and about 5 years to late with the budget/strategy, stop spreading excuses for intel by saying hey thats not fair nvidia is calling me names. Intel threw the first punch i the schoolyard, point that out in your future articles. Nvidia should just stay positive on their own stuff and not say a word about their "new competitor" hardly point them out for what they are, a subserviant gpu that is way behind the norm. Wait for nvidia to get rid of the old inventory(7 series) at rock bottom prices to keep the blue giant at bay with their less than stellar product, and less than professional release of a buggy lemon(just like ea games bf2 etc that were released too early and gave users nothing but a sour taste in their mouth).Charlie, Charlie, Charlie
Did someone wii in your wheaties again this morning? You have such and agenda against this company it isn't even funny.What is comical is why you are so surprised when Jensen clearly indicated he was going right after Intel. This presentation is nothing different than goes on at any other high tech company, but you blow it up like it's a whole new diabolical tactic. Lets call a spade a spade, this was just another chance for Charlie to show the world how wronged he's been by the evil NVIDIA.
Grow up rant-master.
understandable frustration
let's not forget who is starting this.Intel has been a sleeping giant that just realized that nvidia is eating away from it's core business using the gpu's that are now programmable for any parallel task. And 10-100x faster.
intel is scared like hell about this for good reason.
But instead of approaching it fair, they started bad-mouthing nvidia and nvidia's business.
they are playing their infamous 100000 pound gorilla tactic and hell yes, nvidia should be upset and frustrated. The market reacts as if this is Intel-AMD all over again so who would not be upset by this?
this pdf may have some gray area's but lets not forget the pitch dark area's Intel has been working from that started all this.
their is a big difference between someone doing this while on the defense and someone who is on the offense. Intel shame on you.
wow
Excellent reporting, bravo."Customers can't run most of today's top games"
I see nVidia are keen to point out "only" 10% of today's games have issues, I bet that was after they spent hours swapping drivers around to find one that worked with a particular game.Besides that, what about yesterday's games? I've got quite a few games that just don't run well or at all under nVidia's latest drivers. I'd be more impressed if they spent some time making sure they don't break old games while they're busy putting out drivers optimised for the big new releases.
I've got no love for Intel's weedy graphics hardware for gaming either, but if nVidia are going to call the kettle black it's good to see them being reminded they're the pot.
Ooooh!
Don't forget that to make an omelette you need to break some eggs!!This Is Why I Read The INQ
No other site is willing to call companies out on stuff like this.I possess one of each
In the desktop I have an 8800GTS OC2 from BFG, and in the laptop it runs Intel integrated 945 graphics.I can tell you for sure, the nVidia equipped machine is capable of running more games at acceptable frame rates.
However, they both play Spaceward Ho! 4.0.5 equally well. So maybe it's a wash.
No surprise
NVIDIA is not new to these types of "Sales emails". Back in 2001 graphics cards based on the STM built Kyro and Kyro2 cards were selling like hotcakes. A similar "Sales email" was distributed on the interweb telling how bad of a decision it would be to use Kyro series would be bad because of some incompatibilities with the chipset and comes from a "unproven" team.Predatory monopolist VS predatory monopolist
Title says it all.Both of them should just F off and die.
My god
How long has Intel been writing for Inq?This a kick in the gonads to Intel from nVidia
I have always been a huge fan of both Intel's CPUs and nVidia's GPUs, but have have to agree with yall that nVidia has gone way over the line. When we talk about Vista.....what hardaware company hasnt had any problems with it, also why hasnt nVidia talked about their lack in the mobile PC market...I have a laptop with the nVidia 7900 GTX PCIE card in it......system is running XP Pro......the card does not perform as one would expect, Now my system is a high end system custom built Hypersonic....costing over 4 grand. Untill a week ago I belive nVidia finaly put out a uodated driver, its a BETA driver still but before that driver the last driver was released back in July of 2005.If Intel can come out with a grphics chip that can outperform or even do as well as nVidia or ATI...I would go with it...maybe thats why nVidia is talking trash...they afraid to loose customers .......well nVidia...you are just gonna have to work harder and come out with something better if ya dont want that to happen.
Its a win win situation for us hardcore gamers when company's battle and work to improve on drivers for older cards and build new cards that work better......but as far as I am concerned...the Mobile 7000 series cards from nVidia are flops...makes me scared to try any other laptop cards from nVidia.
To finish I will add that I am very disapointed with nVidia and they have lost a good deal of my respect. So nVidia stop cryin and whining...and get back to work on improving your drivers and cards and let Intel do the same.......if yall get into a war...well ATI and AMD mat just come up and take the lead from both Intel and nVidia....anyone remember who was leading the pack back before 2004........Even then I was still faithfull to both Intel and nVidia. So with all that said.....Dont push your luck nVidia......get back to work.
Seperating Wheat from Chafe
Nvidia is about to Embark on thrilling New Era, with built in PhysX. You wonder, well First test show Vista frame Rates move from 15 fps to mere 300 fps with Models expected in next few months. Nvidia is Design, NO great Friends, if You Want it, Drag Nvidias Line & Understand, Larrabee, Puke,Puke&Barf, is 2D, same as 1957 Cobol, Won't be out till 2010 in most recent Intel Press release, & Is kiddie Game Stuff that Bashes Your CPU to Death.While Lovely 100/200/300 New Nvidia is serious (near Flawless) marriage to Ultie_Tom, as potential Utlimate Built in start Point Chipsets, ?Ultie only..You be judge, each just same, HELL NO, Nvidias' Got D' NUTCRACKER, first Go Figure:.DRASIL #1, Nvidia Sole Owner.
You can play XP on any level system Chipset & it will stagger, Clinch & Moon You. Theres Just NOT Enough XP There. SP3 RC isn't much help if it won't even reboot system again. Small crocadile tear shed.
So while world awaits Chipset with real Crunch Power,Capt. Think Nvidia, Nvidia, Nvidia.
Thomas von Drashek
Holy...
...Crap. Feel like ripping the Go7600 out of my notebook and tossing it out the window. Can't believe it. It would be one thing for the author to take offense to it, but be purely opinionated. Its another for nVidia to try and dodge the truth when asked about the very slides, making the entire article purely fact instead. Complete lack of class, and I'd love to see a follow up on this article if anything new appears. Got a great PR spin for this one green team?Nvidia sleaze
This is why I do not buy Nvidia cards for the computers I build for People.To many times in the past it has been found that they could not do what the said.
It is just not worth using a company that you can not trust with what they say or do.
Business as usual
This is typical Nvidia behaviour, i remember them getting caught cheating in 3DMark with their Geforce 5 (replacing textures). Also the "shimmering" Geforce 6 texture quality problem. It's ironic that they are complaining about Intel's DX10 capability when they released non-DX10 Vista drivers for their DX10 - advertised cards.hmmmmm sleazy
Ok so Nvidia is a dirty filthy sleaze, but we can't loose site of the fact they are essientially right? Intels intergrated graphics are still rubbish and you have to wonder if they walked into it by overstating the claims of their graphics chipsets. I seriously doubt their on-cpu graphics will be any good, which will lead to more of this kind of muck from Nvidia.Speaking of bogging in mud, the SUV vs Car analogy is not the best - crafty bastards (such as myself) suprise many by how far one can take a road car off road with a few tricks. Infact running a road car (ie $300 junkheap) through a mud bog is more fun than a SUV, although if any of you want to lend me a cayenne/touareg let me know... i could have some fun with that.
In the same way it's amazing what you can get running playable with IG and low-end discrete graphics, or even just a out-of-date high end card. People in forums will tell you can't enjoy Crysis on a Radeon X1300, but I've seen it done..
About time!
This fight was impossible to avoid. Most game developer are very tired of Intels way of selling graphics. They call in Intel Integrated Craphics.But the problem is actually a lot bigger than this. A lot of companies actually can't use 3d software because they have PC's with Intel IGP.
I rarely defend Nvidia however they have a point.
People buy PC's for 2-4 years use. If they don't get a discrete GPU, they are stuck with whatever IGP is onboard. I've found ATI 690G, 690V and 780G IGP's capable. I found Nvidia's 9100 capable too. They can run Vista without a discrete GPU. I even found ATI's X200 quite good in it's generation.I've never found Intel IGP's up to par. If the average person buys a budget PC and hope that an Intel IGP will do the job for Vista or casual gaming, they'll be disappointed. They won't be disappointed with Nvidia and ATI IGP's.
Serious gamers buy GPU's from Nvidia and ATI. The rest rely on IGP's. Though I do not like Nvidia's tactics here, the truth is that Intel makes great CPU's but lousy IGP's.
Let's hope they can make decent GPU's and enable something as innovative as hybrid Crossfire and hybrid SLI with low end GPU's and their as yet not very wonderful integrated graphics.
SL Requirements Page
I believe that page changed this week, likely in just the last day or two, as I had seen the one with Intel at the top of the bullet list very very recently.Nvidia Sleaze Attack
I was hoping someone would comment on why Nvidia is doing this... I am surprise no one has brought this up yet. OK, this is what I think is going on:Out of the threee (Nvidia, AMD/ATI and Intel) Nvidia has the most to lose if rendering images with CPU (or a fusion of CPU - GPU) takes off. Their long time arch-rival competitor ATI (AMD) has the most to gain. Nvidia cannot allow this. Nvidia has to kill now any concept of having cores of CPU be involved in rendering images. On the opposite side Intel is pushing this concept mainly by being involved in this new graphic rendering called ray tracing. Ray Tracing is 100% scalable as opposite to the Nvidia - ATI technique of rasterization which is 20% to 70% depending on driver and game so let's say an average of 50%. There is debate right now in the graphics world of the merit of ray tracing, John Carmack recently said in an interview (see http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/03/14/john_carmack_talks_ray-tracing_pc_gaming/1) that a combination of both is most likely to emerge. I beleive this push by Intel for rendering images by ray tracing alone will not happen (will happen only if there are other players involved so that there is some competition) and keeping the current rendering terchnique of rasterization when multiple-cores are so accessible (cheap) will inhibit the potential explosion of visual computing. All what Nvidia is doing right now is bringing more attention to this subject by taking the approach they did, they are probably better off just to ignore Intel's upcoming Larrabee chip.
But yet again, ignoring may not be a good idea, take GM's Chairman Bob Lutz for example, in a public statement 2-3 years ago on Toyota's Prius: "Hybrid's are an interesting curiousity". There approach at the time (and still may be today, no launch date for the Volt yet) was to ignore this new concept - It will go away... not !
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it is not just weather games can run correctly on intel g33/35 or not, it is how they run, and they run bad (as expected of most IGPs), and for the same money they run better on nvidia, and they have run without problems (90% of them) from the start, while intel needed to fix drivers etc. nvidia's bloating may be sleazy but it is somewhat in order. What is more sleazy is intel telling customers that they can actually run games on g33/g35 so people buy intel platform with IGP and then come on forums to ask how come the games don't run or don't run properly. Author of the article assumes that people know that g33/35 isn't enough for games when in fact very small number of them do. Sure, I know, most of you here reading this know, but 99% of us won't buy and rely on IGP for gaming. Intel assumes that customers don't know this so they can sell more. Shame on them :) They state "Vista ready" supoports directX etc.so customer looks at the COD4 box and sees that he meets minimum req. for playing the game, and he is if you ask intel. God help us all if Larrabe prevails against discrete graphics solutions...Nvidia
Well,A suitable recourse for the last slide is, as Nvidia are a bunch of c**ts they assume very one else is a complete c**k.
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