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Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons

DRM, Price and BD-J

BLU-RAY PLAYER SALES are sucking wind as well they should. According to Cnet, sales of the DRM infected format players are dropping like rocks.

The not so bright people out there had expected sales to skyrocket once the format war was done, but it didn't. They thought was people would ignore the massive defects of Blu-ray and buy like the dumb sheep that they are, handcuffing themselves to the Sony bank account.

Surprise, it didn't happen. US consumers are still dumb sheep, but this time they are realizing what is being done to them and they aren't biting. Sony's hope of having 50% of disc sales this year be Blu-ray are more likely to happen because of falling DVD sales than rocketing Blu-ray.

The format has three problems, DRM infections, BD-J and greed. The greed part is obvious, Sony won the format war and are trying to charge people between 50 and 100% more for a product with marginally better quality. Sure, it looks better, and the 0.07% of people with 7.1 channel audio setups will be overjoyed, but for the rest, it is a small step at best over an upconverting DVD.

Are you going to buy the DVD version for $16.99 on new release sale or $29.99 for the BD? It doesn't take a genius to realize that the next iteration of Hollywood Formula #7 with Big Stars #3 and #8 isn't worth it. The movie studios have yet to convince me that The Water Horse is worth spending my money on at all, much less at twice the price for DRM'd HD versions.

That brings us to the next down side, there is no up, DRM. Every Blu-ray disc is DRM infected even if the producer doesn't want it to be, in order to get a company to manufacture it, it must be infected. Sony gets an infection kickback fee as well, so don't think it is purely for protection unless you mean it in the -racket sense.

Blu-ray DRM infections do not protect anything, Slysoft has cracked it with their excellent AnyDVD HD product, something I can't recommend enough. Basically, new DRM schemes are broken before you can buy discs with them on it, protecting nothing. It will however prevent legitimate users from using legally purchased media on legally purchased hardware. If you pirate though, no more compatibility issues, once again making Piracy the Better Choice (TM)(C)(R).

Basically the new format has DRM baked in and in your face. It costs you money, hurts only legitimate users, and is laughably insecure. Until it is abolished, just say no to Blu-ray and spend your money elsewhere, try books for example. If you must stoop to the DRM infected media, crack it and run it from your HD, it will save you immense frustration.

The last thing that makes people want to run for the hills is the badly broken BD-J abomination. Basically, when Blu-ray was 'finished', it wasn't close to done. HD-DVD on the other hand was well thought out and thorough, HD had a robust virtual machine that did all the work it needed to, and BD had none. Sony rushed a hacked BD v1.1 out, followed by 2.0, and instantly obsoleted all the money spent by the early adopters. All except those who bought Sony players of course.

There are two problems with this, other than the fact that morons spent money on a Sony format, it works like crap and it phones home, both comprise the third negative. Working like crap is the obvious one, to test it, look at one of the flagship titles, Pirates of the Caribbean 3. Disney insists on BD-J, customer be damned, and it shows. If you click on any of the options from the title menu, it pauses, you hear the disc seek, you wait, it loads, you wait more, and it decrypts, you wait a little more, and then the menu animates. It is nothing short of a disaster that you can't skip. Unless you pirate the title, once a gain making piracy the better choice (TM)(R)(C).

In any case, the BD-J support is so half-assed and broken that using it is nothing less than misery, but you also get the BD benefits as well. That is incompatibility and higher prices to soothe you while you wait and wait and wait. Whoever forced this on people should be shot.

The other down side is that to support the so called Profile 2.0, you must have internet capabilities and access. Anyone here trust Sony? Remember, these are the people who unashamedly rootkit paying customers and then tries as hard as they can to bury it, but never apologizes.

With the new BD Profile 2.0, they can run arbitrary code on your player, download and install whatever they want (You read the EULA didn't you?), and take any data they want. In return, you get the privilege of watching your legally purchased media on your legally purchased players. Fair trade, right? Once again, Piracy is the Better Choice(R)(TM)(C), it doesn't rat you out to unrepentant rootkitters even if they have a EULA behind them this time.

In the end, if you buy Blu-ray, you get a more expensive product that is likely incompatible with your hardware, DRM'd to the hilt, slow as dirt and it rats you out for good measure. All this for slightly better rez, be still my beating heart. Player sales are tanking when they should be soaring and Sony is probably wondering why. Caveat emptor.µ

Comments

It could not be better written

The title says it all. Let's hope it tanks so bad that they think twice next time, now that there is no other candidate left ;-) !
posted by : Alejandro Paz, 05 May 2008

MKV PLAYERS

all this makes me think we will see .MKV players soon. On the other hand M$ and SOny most likely will not make possible the playback of this format on the PS3+Xbox360...
posted by : Panos, 05 February 2008

1TB HDD are 200$

1TB HDD are 200$ why pay more than 300 on a blue ray driver!!!!
Just for the sake of argument you could buy an hdd right now and even if it lets you in the dust after 3 years when then warranty expires it is still worth to buy it instead of blueray now.
posted by : onz, 05 May 2008

Blu-ray...

I don't think it has anything to do with US consumers being any dumber or more sheepish than their neighbors. The US economy is in a downturn. So expect to see most markets trending toward a slowdown. DVDs or Blu-ray both represent nonessential luxuries. They are the last things people, here, will be concerned with, when fuel prices double, a gallon (insert British equivalent) of milk is $5, and they are given a new tax (a la mandatory purchase of government-run health insurance).

I think you guys did a run on the percentage of Blu-ray players being something like 80% made of Playstation owners. So the 2.0 profile is one update away. And as far as any player phoning home, who cares? What do I care if Sony knows that own all of 3 titles? When you guys do a story on the O, in SONY, being a hidden camera, then I'll be concerned about what's being transmitted:)
posted by : Integr8d, 05 May 2008

Good one, Charlie.

Please make this article a repeat every week.
The clueless who have not yet caught on risk giving their money to Sony, which will give Sony some more excuses to trumpet some "victory".
It is totally unacceptable that any company foists upon its customers a product that has all the defects you point out and no real advantage to balance them out.
But Sony has accustomed us to the unacceptable.
posted by : Pascal Monett, 05 May 2008

Bloody Sony

If only HD-DVD won the format war. It was more consumer orientated in my opinion (no region encoding, finished standard, etc) BD was more orientated in screwing the consumer and make more money for sony and the studio's
posted by : Jay, 05 May 2008

HD-DVD

I still can't believe how mean Sony has been over this matter. I mean like on HD-DVD there was no regioning but on Blu-ray...... (Blu-ray has more capacity and sounds better spec wise tho...). Sony has gone overboard with DRM hurting only the consumers just ask anybody at the THG games forum (inc. me)

BTW: However evil Sony is I disagree with your piracy option.......
posted by : amdfangirl, 05 February 2008

Fanboy

PS3 system sales are tanking are they?
I can't play BR-J on my PS3?
Stop talking crap.
posted by : Not Telling, 05 May 2008

I'd still buy HD-DVD for:

as a simple replacement for back-up CD's. Rip out all the proprietary stuff, licensing overheads and DRM lock-ins and sell us a straight 25 GByte HD backup drive. I'd buy one, and sell many to customers.
It would make a great DVD-Writer replacement.
posted by : Wim, 05 May 2008

HD DVD

Did some one buy an HD DVD player?

Some of the stuff you say is true but you sound just like the whiners on the HD forms.
posted by : Tom, 05 February 2008

Blu-Ray FTL.

Thank god Blu-Ray beat out that damn HD-DVD eh?
posted by : Kyle, 05 May 2008

Blu-ray sales

Who buys DVDs? That's what Netflix is for: rent em and rip em.

So who's going to buy overpriced BVD's? (Blu-ray Video Discs)

You don't see Xerox getting bagged for enabling people to photocopy books.

It seems to me that Sony has developed a product that infringes upon Philip's intellectual property rights.
posted by : rv, 05 May 2008

PC Version

Does this infection also affect pc blu-ray players? I have an htpc and the pc version is somewhat cheaper... $145Cdn
posted by : Wil, 05 May 2008

other reasons

I was also thinking that the lack of "record" ability is a contributing factor as is the amount of HD PPV content. VCP (video cassette players) from back in the day pretty much tanked as well, as they realized the market hated them. And it doesn't take a genius to enjoy say, Verizon Fios and fiber delivered HD movies, or the cable equivalent.

Lastly there is the Xbox factor. A lot of folks, whether they are heavy gamers or not, would enjoy having a game console and BD player all in one. A lot of those same folks have made the Sony/MS choice and don't want the Sony. Those people could well be a ton of people and standing on the sidelines till the BD 360 is available.

Remember though, the first 2 reasons above...
posted by : FXi, 05 February 2008

Mainstream doesn't care about DRM

The only thing that matters to the mass market is cost. While one could argue that BD is x-times prettier to look at, it just doesn't translate into x-times the price. I refuse to spend over $20 for any single movie, it's just not worth it no matter what. With rising energy costs and rising food costs (due to subsidized energy costs), I am even less likely to spend $20 on a movie - be it DVD or BD.

Half.com, Amazon.com, Craigslist.com, Ebay.com. Buy used or not at all until Hollywood and Sony get over themselves. If prices drop, BD will succeed.
posted by : Nick, 05 May 2008

DRM unlikely the cause

Most US consumers don't even know what DRM means. Those who do are smart enough to know that Hollywood will never allow HDTV discs/downloads that don't have DRM, so why pass this variant up?

Far more likely for the downturn is the collapsing US economy. People are buying gas to get to work, and food to feed their children, instead of women's clothing, dining out, and very-expensive disc players.
posted by : pond, 05 May 2008

The best...

Quite possibly the best article that I have ever read about Blu-ray & how rubbish it is, yes i'm slightly bios because & bought & beleived in HD-DVD & still do even though its a redundant format.
Hey maybe HD-VMR will take off LOL
posted by : Neil, 05 May 2008

So true!

As a technical officer in the audiovisual department of Sydney university I can't express enough how much of a nightmare getting DHCP to work in a lecture context.

Only a few theatres needed to be full HD and it was incredibly difficult! Everything had to be re-designed from scratch, all new devices hence all new control code and it still occasionally drops out for a few seconds, which is a rude interruption during any movie.

Slow is also a good way to describe it too. You literally stand around for about 15 seconds waiting for the drive to open when you press eject!

At home my computer system is completely HDCP compliant and it is ok, slow but ok. It does seem counter intuitive that I had to spend an extra $600 for my monitor just for HDCP support. That's $600 I could have spent on movies. (when I say slow it has a vista rating of 5.9 - the highest - and still takes its time loading a disc)
posted by : Stephen von Takach, 05 May 2008

Holy $#%^

You guys really hate Blu-Ray don't you? The rising fuel prices, tanking economy (at least in the US), people losing their homes, consumer confidence shaken, an idiot for president that ignored the problem and consumers aren't in the mood to buy into the new format.

Please do me a favor: go read your predecessor who hailed doom and gloom for DVD. This is from an old newsgroup posting... http://www.robertsdvd.com/failure.html


I'm sorry but many of the same conditions exist in Blu-Ray, but this time the economy is not good. More people need high-def TV's, which are slowly dropping in price as well. Tell me, why aren't you harping on the fact that large format LCD TV's aren't 500 dollars instead of 1500 dollars. They've been around longer than Blu-Ray has been. Why don't you note that at this point in the life-cycle, DVD Players were 500+ dollars and new releases were 24.99-29.99 before going up to "regular price: anywhere from 30-50 dollars.

I don't mind if you dislike the DRM and whatnot in Blu-Ray, but at least present the information honestly, not like some bitter format war loser. Even though I didn't buy until after Toshiba shot HD-DVD out of mercy, I never understood why anyone would back Toshiba to win the war. They screwed up pretty much the same way Sony did with Beta. There were, for the most part, the lone wolf producing HD-DVD players. It was pretty much Toshiba vs the rest of the CE world in a patent war. They were pretty much destined to lose due to that alone.

This was a checkbox war over patent royalties, not a charity. Toshiba was attempting to protect it's lucrative and powerful DVD patent portfolio, Sony and other CE companies forming the BDA trying to break the Toshiba stranglehold. They're not doing it out of some sense of nobility, nope, they just want to smash Toshiba's near monopoly for the same reason Toshiba is fighting so hard to keep it: all for the filthy lucre.

Toshiba's new strategy: as long as possible: sow confusion in the market, claim DVD is "good enough" (then why did you're greedy a$$e$ say HD-DVD was the $hit?) so on and so forth.

Read betweent the lines.
posted by : Alex Cross, 05 May 2008

right on!

An excellent article. These are the EXACT reasons that my PS3 (which really is just an expensive Folding@home paperweight) sits in the corner of my desk folding proteins while my PC, 360, and Wii get all the fun time.

I have a hard time believing the media when it says "Blu-ray" won the format war. It's analogous to saying that the airport cops (TSA) has won the war against terrorism. Laughable... and I don't think "win" is the word I would use.
posted by : Axiomatic, 05 May 2008

Too bad you didn't speak up a year ago

Those of us who stridently supported HD-DVD in the face of fan-boy allegiance to Blu-ray wanted people to write articles like this in abundance.

Why didn't you speak up a year ago, when it would have counted for something?

At this point Sony has already won, so your article is too late, and sadly irrelevant. It is an excellent article, with many fine points, but there it is.

I have grudgingly crossed over to the "Blu" side, so that I am still able to play all the latest HD movies. I am relatively happy about my choice of Blu-ray player: Sony's PlayStation 3, 40GB version.

For those wanting a player that won't become obsolete, I believe it's your ticket, and my experience so far has been positive.

The player is very quick, never stuttering and very easy to use. It is fully upgradeable, so I now have all the features of the new spec players that aren't even on the market yet. And when more features come out I'll be able to get those too.

The surprise feature is that the PS3 can communicate with my media server running Vista, so I can stream video/photos/music directly to my entertainment system. Not too shabby.

Anyway, at least this PS3 makes the failure of HD-DVD a little more palatable.
posted by : Todd, 05 May 2008

dvd is fine

What these guys (sony etc) dont seem to realise is that dvd is fine as is. Picture is great, surround sound, no bs (oh 1 thing, you cant skip the FBI warning...lol) and a good movie is relatively cheap to purchase (if so desired). What real benefit is there to upgrading to bd? Hm, let me think....
NONE
posted by : Jason, 05 May 2008

HD-DVD lost to this?

Not to mention "Blu-ray" is a silly name compared to HD-DVD which makes perfect sense.
posted by : Jason, 05 May 2008

I agree

I agree with this take on Blue Ray 100% Sony is an arrogant company that treat their customers like crap. Hd-dvd was the better, cheaper format that lost out to DRM infected Blue Ray. I hope Sony looses their ass on this format. They deserve to. If some how it does survive to become the defacto standard I will not buy it untill the computer burners are $50 and the blank media is under a buck. Then I'll go to the blockbuster store and rent the movies on dollar day just so I can pirate them.
Are you listening Sony?
posted by : sulu, 05 May 2008

Truth be told

Yes!!! Someone finally tells the truth reguarding Blu.
Thank you Thank you.

Loved your article.
posted by : Han, 05 May 2008

Well put

I hate the fact that SONY won this format war. Well said in the article, especially how greedy they are. I don't care if I am the only one, I will never purchase a blu-ray player or movie as long as a live. Actually, I probably will never buy another SONY product again as long as I live. Considering the last quality product I enjoyed from them was PS1.
posted by : gnon, 05 May 2008

What a fanboy!

Wow Charlie, you're about as informed on matters of technology as my fish!
You're obviously a rabid fanboy with no real concept of what's actually happening, gobbling up false information left, right and centre. You don't have your facts straight about anything, from what Slysoft have accomplished to the Blu-ray Disc patent pool, it's all embarrassingly wrong!
Sorry about your luck. You've obviously never looked at sales of any format at this time of year, nor have you looked at what happened the last time a format war ended on a video format, which was DVD vs. DiVX. Did sales of players spike when DiVX threw in the towel? No, because it was June when people don't traditionally get out there and buy new technology, not with the Q3 and Q4 sales that happen EVERY YEAR around the corner. People will wait for deals.
DVD took off the FOLLOWING year when A list catalogue titles came out.
Do yourself a favour, put your keyboard away until Christmas 2009 so that you don't look like any more of a plonker than you already do.
posted by : Steve Burke, 05 May 2008

Oh please

How is this any different from DVD player sales at this point in its lifecycle? I bought a DVD player about 10 years ago when the first model for $300 (on sale) came out, six months before that the cheapest was over twice the price and it was pretty much only videophiles buying them at that point.

That following Christmas there were a lot of players for $300 and even less and it started to really gain momentum. Another year and there were players for barely over $100 and then everyone was buying one.

I suspect the same thing will happen for Blu-Ray. This Christmas will start the first signs of mass adoption, but next Christmas when I'll bet there are plenty of models in the $100 range and the BD movies are selling for $9.99 for old crap no one wants to see, $14.99 for mainstream movies and $19.99 for new releases like DVDs did at the time it took off then Blu-Ray will take off too.

DRM is irrelevant, it didn't stop peple buying DVDs, and it won't stop people buying BDs, and like you point out its been cracked anyone so where's the issue for the people who hate DRM they will be able to do whatever they want with it just like they can with DVDs (modulo the fact the price of BD writers and writeable BD media will probably take a couple more years to come down to reasonable levels...)

The people who think DVD and BD look pretty much the same haven't seen well authored BD media on a high quality 1080p set I guess. Upscaling DVD doesn't cut it. A lot of the people saying that probably bought an ED plasma a few years ago and don't even know that their 720x480 set isn't really HD at all. As those large 1080p sets continue to come down in price I'll bet there are a lot of bundles sold that include a BD player and a few movies so you'll have something high quality to watch on your set, since most cable companies provide mostly crap quality HD channels, overcompressed and certainly not 1080p.
posted by : Doug, 05 May 2008

Quality improvements

Your comments about DRM and BD-J are valid, but if you really think that the quality improvement from HD content is small over upconverted DVD then you either need a (much) better TV or a visit to the opticians.

1080p is almost as big an improvement over DVD as that was over VHS in terms of quality, it's just a shame that the only way to get hold of content is through the crippleware that is Blu Ray.
posted by : David Edney, 05 May 2008

Truth to Power

Thank you for laying out the unvarnished truth about this afterbirth of a format. Sony is a repeatedly proven bad actor. Time to move on to the next format.
posted by : Pharmakeus Ubik, 05 May 2008

Amen

Amen
posted by : Bounty, 06 February 2008

Couldn't agree more

It is a shame that the movie studios backed the money grabbing sony outfit. I personally object to paying a royalty to sony for every High def video disk i might buy in the future.

The hardware will mature and work, that is inevitable. Today it may be second rate, but since the demise of HD DVD sony has no impetus other than professional pride to fix it. The fixes will take longer.

I wonder what the sales of RETAIL (not ps3) BD players were like compared to HD DVD players, I also wonder how many PSP3 units will be used a HD video players.

In time, i would have gone with HD DVD (personal preference, Toshiba hasn't tried to screw me) but that choice is gone now and i feel deprived of the choice.
posted by : newbie, 05 May 2008

Excellent Article

Great article... I applaud you for standing up and saying what i've said all along: Piracy the Better Choice (TM)(C)(R) and it always will be...
posted by : Walter Brown, 05 May 2008

I won't Buy BR From Town Shops

I was in my local town of Hull (Eng) today and was in GameStation and the prices where ******* stupid I got Ghost Rider for £10 ext cut at dvd.co.uk.

They where selling it for £25 but £10 if bought with a PS3 game that £60 if buying the likes GTA4. Every BR was around £16-25 who do they think there are kidding mister Hitler I say!

For good deals go to www.DVD.CO.Uk (oh I don't work there by the way just offering my link for good savings).
posted by : Dave C, 06 February 2008

Chance for alternatives to be developed

Great summary!

I wait for the next generation of disks, players and monitors without all that crap. I can easily wait a long time. Sony and Hollywood, put your rootkits where no sun shines!

Maybe the alternative comes from China. Or Europe, why not?!
posted by : Ex-"consumer", 06 February 2008

So true

Great article.
posted by : George, 06 February 2008

i agree..

i completely agree, people who are so malicious to IMPOSE measures, should indeed be shot.

I see only one solution... why do we purchase items? Why can't we curb our consumption.

Hell crack a book once in a while. I dont know how it is in Europe or any other part of the world, but people are becoming dumber and sheepish in the states.
posted by : Alf, 06 February 2008

Better Resolution?

Where did you get the idea that BR has better resolution than HD DVD?
posted by : bmz, 05 May 2008

FUD at its finest

Clearly the author has no clue to what he is talking about.
There so much fud and scare monger going on here its almost comical, i cant believe the utter trip i just read, sounds more like another disgruntled HDDVD fanboy who cant face that BD won.#Dont know many people expecting BD to take of at this point, with the two last studios arriving in june thngs wont get moving untill the fall anyway.

prices always fall, and as for DRM, wow go overboard why dont you. BD Live players do NOT require one to be hooked to the internet 24/7 and just like HDDVD players its your choice if you wish to connect and its your chioce if you want to download any extra content (god knows why anyone one wants trasactional content anyway??). so whats the fuss??

i own blu ray via a PS3, and i use the PS3 only as a blu ray player (waiting for a full specced Denon player). as far as im concerned its fantastic and anyone whos visited my home cinema comments on how they gotta BD when they can as the experience id fantastic. Fantastic video and fantastic audio. yeah you can shove your crappy dvd, even my Denon realta based dvd upscaler cant get near the quality of blu ray.

And last of all, its not sonys format, for the love of god, how many more times has this got to be said?? (thats why Sony can not stop MS putting a blu ray drive in a 360 if MS decide thats what they wanted to do, Sony can not stop them because the BDA makes the decisions)
its the format of the Blu Ray Disc association or the BDA for short. try to understand what your reporting about rather than taking the old HDDVD fanboy talk points and running with them. you might actually realise how stupid you look with this articule then.

Please check your facts then come back with an informed articule.
posted by : sid, 05 May 2008

thank you

thank you for the heads up on this one. and to think I was going to get a bd player.
posted by : lennie, 05 May 2008

agreed

Couldn't agree more with this article, call it biased if you will but the facts are all there. Blu-ray was inferior to HD DVD on every front except the capacity front.

I hate Sony so much for all their half assed formats. They should stick to tv's and stereo's and stay the hell out of everything else. Including games consoles. Every playstation since the beginning has been touted as the most powerful of it's generation, cept they were all under powered and shit. N64 > PS1. Xbox/Cube > PS2. Xbox360 probably about the same as PS3 but considering how PS3 was supposed to better the 360 by 1000000 times it's kinda become a bit of a let down. eh end rant here.
posted by : Scott, 06 February 2008

Sony $

Best article i have read in weeks. DRM is an Albotross around BD's neck and is destroying Vista sales as well. I have Ultimate and it is ssssssssllllloooooooooowwwwwwwwww.
Apparently vista does a drm check 60 times a second???????????????????????? WTF.
And as for BD, Sony can suck my cheesy roll.
posted by : Arthur, 06 May 2008

Lemmings

Lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings, lemmings...
posted by : hippster, 06 May 2008

Another DRM rant?

Ho hum. Charlie doesn't like DRM. or Sony. Go figure. Well no one really likes Sony these days, and I guess no sane person is pro-DRM, either. However, some of us (I'll bet the vast majority of us) have better things to do than bypass DRM for the ethical righteousness of it all. We just buy or rent the DVD and call it a day. Maybe Charlie could take a valium or some anti-paranoia drugs and once he has stabilized, he could WRITE ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE.
posted by : J-Man, 06 May 2008

Yup!

Yup!
posted by : Javier Rosado, 06 May 2008

Flaming?

I don't understand all of your hatred towards Blu-Ray. I have a PlayStation 3 hooked up to a 40" 1080p LCD. I use the Blockbuster movie pass and always rent the Blu-Ray versions of the movies for no extra cost. I have never had any problems watching these movies. No skips, glitches, DRM malfunctions, or anything but pure 1080p glory.
posted by : Collen Fuston, 06 May 2008

Here Here

Here, Here. It's about time someone clearly described how much of a swindling bunch of theives sony is. Thier whole approach to selling a product is about cornering the market and becoming a monopoly for everything, its a wonder that governments let them act this way. I agree don't buy blu-ray and let sony burn!!!!
posted by : Tom, 06 February 2008

Too right, mate

I'm a happy user of Blu-Ray - ON MY OVERCLOCKED C2D PC. Sony is on the verge of blowing it again, and continue to demonstrate that they don't understand the consumer. There is a slight mitigating factor, however. The entertainment companies are the main driver behind the crippling DRM technology. Really, the ultimate blame should fall on them. Your note about the execrable quality of most Blu-Ray content is also spot on. So MANY crappy movies on Blu-Ray! I think this is another factor contributing to anemic Blu-Ray sales. And this is the garbage they're so desperate to protect? The last few years' worth of movies have taken a huge dip in quality (which overall wasn't so great to begin with). The only stuff that's worth getting is the BBC nature documentaries, such as Galapagos and Planet Earth. That. at least, allows you to show off hi-def in its true glory. Thanks for the rant.
posted by : rgrace, 06 May 2008

Blue Ray and DVD-HD == SuperAudio and DVD-Audio

Blue Ray and DVD-HD are the SuperAudio and DVD-Audio of the video world today. Next to useless performance enhancements with a steep cost due to lack of usability due to DRM and cost due to new technology. A recipe for a failed product technology. What part of "continuous improvement" didn't these bozos learn?

I'm an Alpha Geek and I've neither had plans to buy either nor have I advised anyone to buy either. I enjoy taking friends down to the local emporium and having them do a 3-way comparison between analog, DVD/HDTV and BlueRay/HDTV. If they decide to buy anything at all it's usually good ole DVD with an upgraded monitor.

I'm still doubtful about the new HD/DTVs when it comes to DRM. I did a bunch of research on which models would be the easiest to crack (I'm an EE) - simply to make them usable.

It's cheaper for me to buy media than pirate but the entertainment industry creates nothing but strong incentives *against* buying.
posted by : JG, 06 May 2008

BACK STABBERS

MICROSOFT SHAFTED TOSHIBA, SOLD THE XBOX WITH HD-DVD BUILT INTO IT, HAD IT BEEN IN THE XBOX HD-DVD WOULD HAVE SOLD, BUT MICROSOFT GOT PAID BY TOSHIBA TO SIGN UP AND BY SONY TO STAB TOSH IN THE BACK ?
posted by : DEREK, 06 May 2008

Thank you Sony

Thank you so much Sony for creating the Blu-Ray technology. I download Blu-Ray movies from bittorrent in mkv format and watch them on my tv from my pc via hdmi. Lovely picture quality. Good times. All free. Join me I'm a pirate YArrr!
posted by : Blackbeard, 06 February 2008

Charlie DRMejian tbh

The clear fact is

1 - Regular consumers couldn't care less about DRM, those informed enough to care have access to any number of tools to pirate, sorry "backup" their movies. Does my grandma care what Vista is doing in the background while she sends an e-mail?

2 - The summer months are slow times for electronic retail and the general world economy slow down doesn't help either.

3 - Charlie gets paid for copy and pasting "I hate - Sony / DRM / Vista / all of the above" Time and time again. Yawn, frankly.

The fact the so many fanbois STILL get a hardon when reading this vitriol astounds me.


posted by : spammage, 06 February 2008

why lie so much?

There's so many wrong facts in this article that I won't lose time to list them. I've been having a PS3 for 14 months and bought 60 movies, the few I have with BD-J work flawlessly and only 2 or 3 are under average PQ.
Being proud of pirating movies make you a useless human, as it is insulting to the artistic expression and stealing from the producers and customers.
It's so easy for you to forget how much time DVD took to lower price ...
I will do my best to spread your **** with solid arguments and links to prove your futility.
posted by : PAttt, 06 May 2008

Holy snap.

Hopefully someone just comes out and wtfpwns Bluray :D That'd be amazingg. I dun want big brother to be all up in my business. Only reason I would ever get a Bluray player would bee if I got a PS3 for lilbig planet. Buut ick.
posted by : danielle!, 06 May 2008

Speed

I can't argue against all of the points.

But I will argue the speed of blu vs hd.

I own both. It takes five minutes, yes, five minutes, from hitting the power button to getting past the menus to playing the actual movie on hd. Blu? The movie is playing in 30 seconds once I choose a movie from the rack.

Given that we DO have software to yank DRM for when it is an issue, I'll gladly take blu over hd.
posted by : bluboy, 06 February 2008

HEY

F the RIAA, oh wait...
posted by : Pen 15, 06 February 2008

Wow...

I can't believe this article was even allowed to be posted. Check your disdain at the door next time. That alone should make for a better article.
posted by : Eric, 06 May 2008

SlySoft is the answer

I wouldn't buy any BluRay disks or hardware until a crack became available. Now that one is, I may get a reader for my computer, buy SlySoft's HD upgrade, and then start *buying* BluRay disks, for certain titles. I don't pirate stuff, but I do want control over the things I buy, so DRM = no sale for me (music, video, whatever), unless I can crack it.
posted by : Lee Jay, 06 May 2008

WTF?!??!

This "article" should be banned or sued by editors, producers and manufacturers all over the world.

You are actually inspiring piracy!

You criticize DRM techniques... disregarding the fact that they only exist because of thieves like you.

You criticize the fact that Blu-Ray is an upgradeable format... no matter how good new and future features might be.

I couldn't care less if Blu-Ray tanks, hellicopters or jets.

An article promoting piracy is just unnaceptable.

Imbecils like you should be fired.
posted by : WTF, 06 May 2008

Built in piracy

Ever heard of "digital copy"? It's coming to blu-ray discs, so don't fret. They're going to give you a little pirate copy on the disc for you to enjoy as you see fit.
posted by : teets, 06 May 2008

People buy the PS3 instead

Dear Charlie,

You seem to ignore that the sales of standalone players drop because people buy the PS3 instead, as it's a Profile 2.0 Blu-ray player, for the price of an 1.0 player.
posted by : dzdz, 06 May 2008

Yay! More FUD!

Thanks, I need a laught this morning.

Are those grapes from HD-Dead's crushing defeat still that sour? HD-Dead was the inferior format in just about every way.

People fortunately saw through the FUD and didn't waste their money on HD-Dead.

And it's more difficult to pirate Blu-Ray... boo hoo!

Stop being a pathetic fanboy and enjoy high def movies on Blu-Ray.
posted by : Paul Kersey, 06 May 2008

Bitter HD-DVD idiots

How dumb did you have to be to run out and buy a $100 HD-DVD player? LOL.

What a bunch of miserable little losers.

Blu-ray sales are actually gaining acceptance faster than DVD, thanks to the PS3 (12-13 million sold). When DVD players were $400, there were nowhere near as many sold.
posted by : Losers, 06 May 2008

You dont like the technology

So steal it? Thats just weird man. I can't afford a Bugatti Veyron, so should I go out and steal one.

The point being, if you dont like what has been offered, DRM, high price, etc. just dont get it. Sony or anyone is not forcing you to buy a Blueray player or a BD movie lol.

You are a consumer, so you have the right to NOT buy it. But you definitely dont have the right to steal it :D Then you are a thief not a consumer. Plus you do prove that BD is worth it over DVD. Otherwise why would you want steal it??

Gotcha ;)
posted by : SB, 06 May 2008

HD-DVD Worked

HD-DVD worked at a Cheaper price,now what do we have - a mess!!! Just Bring back "HD-DVD it's better on the pocket".
posted by : Smootherkuzz, 06 May 2008

hypocritical cvnts :/

Slagging HDDVD all day and night while it tried to keep head above water, and NOW you lament its loss to Bluray?! Nothing technical has changed: HDDVD is still a more complete format, and what BD2.0 compliant standalone player is out there? The only ones with a possibility are the dual-format players since they had to be compliant with the more complete HDDVD spec..

You couldn't foresee Sony being greedy and stupid after its win? Hello?!

I'd consider getting a 360 with Bluray support to replace my current noisy, HDMI-less 360 though. IFF the new drive is quieter!

(Not to mention the retarded PS3 lack of IR remote control capability.. Bluetooth-only doesn't help if you want to integrate it with a Harmony remote, let alone the more advanced home theater custom installation units..)
posted by : Dr. Kenneth Noisewater, 07 February 2008

laughable

Not the sales or Sony's strategy or the technology....this article was laughable and also one of the worst written opinion pieces I've ever read. There is no world where piracy is the better way, in a moral sense. I loved HD-DVD as much as the next technophile, but you sir, are the Jack F*cking Thompson of high-def snobbery.
posted by : Icarus, 06 May 2008

grade 1 review

What is this, 2nd grade English? There seems to be some credibility in your logic, but I find it hard to accept your theory based solely on the fact that you conotate your audience as "dumb sheeps".....Any ways as far as the blu ray is concerned, having been a loyal Sony fan, I realize that there are still lots of internal reshuffling at Sony that needs to be done in order to their affairs right. They have been stumbling left right and center.

posted by : al, 06 May 2008

Oh sure. You nailed it.

Of course, it couldn't just be that there's a sagging economy in the US, and lots of people bought blu-rays with 2 for 1 deals and are just waiting for more worthy titles. No, it must be everything you said. Because the general public who you have acknowledged as "dumb" is also obviously aware of what DRM is and how it's "screwing them".

This article is idiotic and way off the mark. I can't believe it's even getting this much attention.

IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID. The same thing would be happening with HDDVD right now.
posted by : Dean Gullberry, 06 May 2008

Duh.

It's funny how the author, while acknowledging that the public is "dumb and uninformed", at the same time assumes they understand what DRM and BD-J are, and why they should hate them so much. This has to be one of the most personally biased and out of touch articles posing as something with a finger on the pulse.

Very simple explanation here: bad economy, and high prices. Anyone that took an Economy 1a class could have told us (and did) that prices probably wouldn't be falling for a while on blu-ray hardware and discs. Now combine that with $4/gallon gasoline in the US and the failing economy, and it doesn't take a genius to figure out why sales might be slumping right now.

But no, joe sixpack is apparently sitting at home lamenting about Sony's excessive DRM and the terrible, broken BD-Java. Yeah, during halftime of that NBA playoff game. This is the discussion.

Please.
posted by : Johnny Rotten, 06 May 2008

Wow, just wow.

What kind of website lets people of thirteen write articles? You sound as if Sony personally took your HD-DVD player and slammed it against your face.

There are a few problems with your article. First, BD-J is actually better than that HDi crap that Microsoft tried to shove down everyone's throats. Second, the blu-ray manufacturers are no more greedy than any other corporation. Toshiba was selling its players at a loss, and not because it wanted to do the consumer a favor. Third up is DRM. Yes, Blu-ray has it. So did HD-DVD, and so does DVD. I don't like it either. However, calling one form like BD+ more evil than another, such as AACS or CSS, is just mind-numbingly stupid. Last, I'd like to point out that HD-DVD only existed because Toshiba refused to play nice with others and compromise to come up with one standard. HD-DVD was created AFTER Blu-ray because of this. Toshiba cooked its own goose in so many ways that I find the outcome very satisfying. HD-DVD was the consumer's format? Please, it was Toshiba's format, created because of Toshiba's greed.
posted by : nick, 06 May 2008

Delusion

Wow! Somebody bought an HD-DVD player didn't they. Ever heard the saying "There is no such thing as a free lunch"? It only take a few seconds to calculate the advantage. Movie tickets for 2 $30. We didn't even get to the overpriced popcorn and drinks and BD is already cheaper even if you pay retail prices! Seen a movie in a theatre lately? ... not even close in picture quality. I am very satisfied with BD technology and I'll take my movies without the hair and dust flecks thank you.
posted by : Luke, 07 February 2008

This is good..

I like this..you fail to mention that people without 7.1 surround sound can enjoy full 5.1 uncompressed audio or Dolby Digital True HD or DTS Master Audio which are all lossless,and blow DTS and DD out of the water. Also I like how you try to downplay the fact that Blu-Ray offers 6x the resolution of standard definition by saying it is just "slightly higher resolution" good one. How come you did not mention that the pop up menu within movies to find scenes and go to extras is all done while the movie is still playing and you don't have to wait to go back to the menu? What about the good features you uneducated biased imbecile.
posted by : Butters, 06 May 2008

Format war was over in Dec 2006

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2006/12/26/hd-disk-format-wars-are-over

Charlie called it back at Christmastime 2006. Nuthen changed since!
(Point is, every article he wrote on this topic ever since has been irrelevant -- so GET OVER IT ALREADY!).
posted by : Grunchy, 06 May 2008

"DVD to 1080p" > "VHS to DVD"

"1080p is almost as big an improvement over DVD as that was over VHS in terms of quality, it's just a shame that the only way to get hold of content is through the crippleware that is Blu Ray."

Not arguing against you here, but the jump from DVD to 1080p is actually GREATER than the jump from VHS to DVD. =D

------

- VHS: 320p
- DVD: 480p (2.25 times bigger than VHS)

- 720p (2.25 times bigger than DVD)
- 1080p (5.06 time bigger than DVD)

The problem is that most people don't even own 720p TVs. So obviously, they won't see the difference until much later.
posted by : Orakga, 06 May 2008

Absoluetly incorrect analysis of the market

The average early adopter of blu does not give a rats arse about all the 'defects' for blu you just mentioned. They are simply paying for better video and sound and that justifies their plasma/lcd even further. The main reason blu-ray player sales have dropped genius is because it is deemed as a luxury item. And if you did actually read good market data you'd see that consumer spending is at an all time low. What caused the subprime shakedown was just consumer spending. The secretive recession you'r living in is the main factor for a change in number. Other then online content there isnt a competitor to the format anymore. Economically it is directly proportional to LCD/Plasma sales. And if you look youll see a slump in their sales too.
Not impressed by such a biased article. You sound more like a disgruntled HDDVD customer whose in denial.
posted by : Passer By, 06 May 2008

It's Deja-vu All Over Again!

Sony is crowing about winning the HD battle. We can only remember that Sony won the Videocassette battle too, with Betamax.

Then VHS attacked again and took the game away from them. Has anyone even seen a betamax in 40 years?

Now is the time for HD-DVD to counter attack with a low price, better consumer interface argument and market NOT to the movie industry, but directly to the consumer.

Then it will be deja-vu all over again, as Yogi Bera stated. Sony will once again have snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Onward with HD-DVD!!!
posted by : Cal, 06 May 2008

Jeeves-Moannetta, Charlie!

I don't know if you were trolling, mate; but you've hit the Angelinar Jolie motherbrood of vain comments!
Tanked On relative poverty, wonders how we'll manage to make ends meet.
Everyone's taken a half-cut in pay...
Can you spare us any casholine? or you may call it: cashtrol?
A dime, or as you say 10 pence.

When you find out you can live without it and go along not thinkin' about it
I'll tell you something true_
bear nick'd excessities.
posted by : â‚­arlsbad, 06 May 2008

Strangely popular

There is a bunch of people here flaming against this article, saying the author is stupid and the sort. I wonder why they bother to read? Who is dumber, the writter or the reader?
Regular people doesn´t care about DRM, it´s true, but they don´t care about HD either. Enthusiast are the people responsible for bringing new technologies to the market. They buy, then regular people who see the new stuff in the geek´s house, like it and then buys it too. If you can´t make enthusiasts buy your kit, it won´t sell to anyone else. Period.
DVD was highly desirable because it was a huge leap from VHS tapes. No rewind, always cristal sharp image, extra features. Now blu ray is just an extention from DVD,so it´s natural that it much less appealing. People will start to change for the Blu Ray only when the price premium get low enough to justify the marginally better features. That is, if IPTV and Legal HD movies downloads doesn´t come first.
posted by : Curious, 07 May 2008

Get what ya give

I personally haven't been to a movie in a few years. The crap Hollywood turns out lately, why bother. Get a life! I'm currently only using DVD's as backup media only. I heard about a writers strike, It's time for a VIEWERS STRIKE! Quit buying their crap and WATCH them fizzle.

Hey here's a great idea, maybe they should remake the Lucy series or even better another Beverly Hillbilly's movie, I'm sure that would revive Blue-Death disk sales.
posted by : Who cares, 07 May 2008

Enthusiasts

"Regular people doesn´t care about DRM, it´s true, but they don´t care about HD either. Enthusiast are the people responsible for bringing new technologies to the market. They buy, then regular people who see the new stuff in the geek´s house, like it and then buys it too. If you can´t make enthusiasts buy your kit, it won´t sell to anyone else. Period. Enthusiast are the people responsible for bringing new technologies to the market."

My parents, my sister or whoever the non-enthusiast market be - couldn't give a rats about DRM, so long as it is transparent to them. They see the shiny new box and the pretty picture on the HD screen and think WOW... so take DRM out of the argument.

The reason DRM can be negated is that Sony didn't sell to the enthusiasts, it sold to the average Gamers.

Sony gained (relative to HD DVD) huge market penetration with the PS3. Sony could honestly advertise a greater number of units sold.

For the content providers DRM wasn't such an issue as both HD DVD and BD had / have to carry content protection.

The content providers are happier to produce content for the player with the larger market share, that is common sense.

I cannot say which hardware (BD or HD DVD) is superior. I can hazzard a guess but that would be opinion.

I can say that the Sony marketting team has pulled off a coup, it was an act of genius getting BD into so many homes in the trojan horse that is PS3.

The royalties from media (movies) will far and away surpass the costs of the extra hardware needed for HD decoding and the HD player within the PS3.

Comparatively very few of those will be sold relative to the number of stand alone players that will be bought, my granny ain't going to buy a PS3, she might buy a BD player to watch gone with the wind!

The BD licence royalties will carry on for many years and we are stuck with them.

If only the Wii has been bundled with a HD-DVD player.......
posted by : newbie, 07 February 2008

Blu Ray is still better

And it won because its better and the future, hate on, Shit Dvd lost HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sony is Godly, no corp in the world can take them down
posted by : Ko, 07 May 2008

Learn to blinking Write

Sir, you are a twunt. Learn how to write properly and perhaps we will take you more seriously. FFS!
Nuf sed.
posted by : Ken Pork, 07 May 2008

Yeah right

Microsoft uses DRM to duh, every company has Toshiba did with there oh so glorious in your eyes HD DVD player. The blu-ray is just fine, its called blu ray cause it does indeed use a blue ray rather than a red ray lol so just stop the whining about toshiba lost and all after all Microsoft is bigger than Sony something to think about there, I love my PS3 blu-ray and really enjoy the HD DVD player but the HD DVD player is not near the pennacle you make it out to be! and Yes the Blu-ray has everything superior to the HD DVD player, so whoever said it was'nt has no idea. Its the future go with it, if not then do'nt!
posted by : KRoK, 07 May 2008

nothing wrong with blu-ray

there's nothing wrong with blu-ray, just the moron company that made them. Hey you think sont is run by underpants gnomes. stage 1 "make blu-ray discs" stage 2 "... " stage 3 "profit"
posted by : sirus, 07 May 2008

Fair Use Is the Better Option...

The content mafiaa can call it whatever, but I call it fair use. EULA be damned. And I'm just about convinced to slap a lifetime boycott on Sony. Enough is enough.
posted by : Anonymous Coward, 08 May 2008

Missed one big drawback...

The biggest thing preventing me from buying many Blu-ray titles is lack of backward compatibility. HD-DVD wasn't perfect in this regard, but _many_ titles had a DVD version on the flip side of the disc, so I could play the movies on my laptop, in my car, in the bedroom, etc, and I bought many of these. I'm not going to switch my movie purchases to Blu-ray for the privilege of not being able to play them in the places I tend to watch movies most. And I'm not about to drop several thousand dollars replacing all of my players with more PS3s, and HDTVs just so I can watch movies in slightly higher quality.

Yes, Blu-ray does look amazing in full 1080p. But it isn't so much better over DVD that I'm willing to put up with the limitations, especially on the hardware that is prevalent today (and for the next 5 years+). So for the foreseeable future, I intend to keep my collection of 3 Blu-ray discs limited to that number. (I already had DVD versions of all 3, otherwise I wouldn't have bought them.) It just isn't worth the extra hassle and cost. And I'm a major tech enthusiast who usually buys into everything.
posted by : Doug, 09 May 2008

BS Anti-Format Piece

As technology advances and gives high quality video HDTV to consumers, it is just another tactic for those on the anti-DRM bandwagon to attack this format.

It hardly a surprise that many here would strike out against the format. As many hardcore users of the Inquirer are doing illegal P2P fileshares.

Now, as for the decline in sales, hasn't been a decline as much as they can't manufacture enough players, nor have the new profile 2.0 models come out yet. so many consumers have been buying ps3's.

also, those who complain about pricing on the players just do not understand economics. the US Dollar has gone down in value, hence the prices have stopped dropping for the time being.

anyway, my hope is that with volume and a rebound for currencies to prior even levels would allow for electronics to be bought at better prices.

as for those who are anti-DRM on films... Can you really blame the people who create films to worry about them being put on internet for free? there is rampant stealing going on.

if you want to watch them so much, go on itunes, xbox and many more LEGAL content services!



posted by : Mitch D, 12 May 2008

Finally, A VOICE for us !

It will be a cold day in hell before I buy a blu-ray DVD player.

The "HD" war should be re-examined and consumers would finally have a say so.

I will continue to use my HD DVD player for a lot of the reason you listed in the article.

I am not going to be "told" whgat to buy just because Sony says so.

ATTENTION MOVIE STUDIOS,

Reconsider blu-ray.
Look at their sales and see that consumers are purchasing HD DVD's.
More so than BD.
In fact I just spent over $250.00 on "going out of business hd-dvd's".
Money that I will NEVER ever spend on Sony.

posted by : Darryl Borque, 15 May 2008
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